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Posted: 5 months ago by Mithridates:
Not only that, but death is an escape to many anyway - that's why prisoners are sometimes kept on suicide watch. Spending the rest of one's life in a prison is a much harsher sentence then a few years and then the release of death.
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Posted: 5 months ago by chez:
It's time to build a Super Jail. >_>
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Posted: 5 months ago by cecilberman:
« chez : It's time to build a Super Jail. >_> How about a penal colony?
I've often advocated a three tier solution to the cost of incarcerating so much of our population (at least until they reform drug laws and stop filling prisons with casual users):
1) non-violent, first-time offenders wouldn't go to jail, but would perform community service or work on modern equivalents to "chain gangs"
2) repeat offenders (who don't appreciate level 1) and first-time violent offenders go to medium-security prisons
3) repeat violent offenders (who've demonstrated on more than one occasion they can't live in society) go to the penal colonies where they can live with other animals like themselves; these would be "guarded" easily with electronics and a handful of boats, and food and supplies could be air-dropped to them.
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Posted: 5 months ago by KerOBeroS32:
Bring back lynching mobs...
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Posted: 5 months ago by arrows:
« KerOBeroS32 : Bring back mob lynching... Are you on drugs?
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Posted: 5 months ago by KerOBeroS32:
« arrows:Are you on drugs? Srsly? This is best you can come up with? This is what I opened a new Firefox tab for?
First off, they really SHOULD! stop with the suicide watch... If they are going to die, they are going to die, no matter what the means...
If they kill themselves, they save the state countless of dollars on executing them...
Point #2
A lynching mob will, no doubt foster vigilante mentality which will, no doubt cause damage that will come out the state budget, but that will be minimal compared to the amount of money the state would be have to spend on executing death row inmates.
OR Make the vigilante financially responsible for his/her actions...
Killing murderers and castrating pedophiles/rapists is all well and good, but if you damage property, you pay for it...
Point #3
Penal Colony: They don't work, I.E. Australia... Enough Said...
If you are going to get me off my couch from a nap, you better have a more worthwhile argument than "Are you on Drugs?"
Geeez... Can't take a nap anymore these days!
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Posted: 5 months ago by arrows:
« KerOBeroS32 : Srsly? This is best you can come up with? This is what I opened a new Firefox tab for?
First off, they really SHOULD! stop with the suicide watch... If they are going to die, they are going to die, no matter what the means...
If they kill themselves, they save the state countless of dollars on executing them...
Point #2
A lynching mob will, no doubt foster vigilante mentality which will, no doubt cause damage that will come out the state budget, but that will be minimal compared to the amount of money the state would be have to spend on executing death row inmates.
OR Make the vigilante financially responsible for his/her actions...
Killing murderers and castrating pedophiles/rapists is all well and good, but if you damage property, you pay for it...
Point #3
Penal Colony: They don't work, I.E. Australia... Enough Said...
If you are going to get me off my couch from a nap, you better have a more worthwhile argument than "Are you on Drugs?"
Geeez... Can't take a nap anymore these days! Look, if you honestly think that a return to mob justice is a good idea because it saves money, I really can't argue with you because you are a sociopath and an idiot.
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Posted: 5 months ago by KerOBeroS32:
« arrows : Look, if you honestly think that a return to mob justice is a good idea because it saves money, I really can't argue with you because you are a sociopath and an idiot. Rly? A sociopath and an idiot? Is THAT the best you can muster for an argument?
Oh FFS!
I'm going back to bed...
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Posted: 5 months ago by maven:
Insults aren't really necessary.
I'm in favor of bringing back public shaming. I think it would do a LOT to curb the rude behavior of others.
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Posted: 5 months ago by 2manyusernames:
Reduce the time between conviction and execution.
For those where there is no doubt of their guilt then execution should be very swift. Weeks at the most.
If there is doubt then sufficient and reasonable time should be given, just not the years and years and sometimes decades that it takes now. Perhaps allow a few years at most.
While we're at it, prison should be an unpleasant place especially for death row inmates. Not calling for bread and water but they don't need to be like a fancy hotel either
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Posted: 5 months ago by maven:
« 2manyusernames :
While we're at it, prison should be an unpleasant place especially for death row inmates. Not calling for bread and water but they don't need to be like
a fancy hotel either A-effin-men.
It's supposed to be a DETERRENT. Not someplace you go for 3 hots and a cot.
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Posted: 5 months ago by bcgrote:
What do police chiefs have to do with deciding where a convicted person ends up?
I'd be more concerned if the judges decide this as well.
And the death penalty is 'costly' because of the appeals process. Which, if Texas is any indication, is a good thing!
But the death itself? Heck, bullets are $50 for a box, and I'm a good shot!
At least prisoners on death row are not getting out of prison any time soon, and were not out in society effecting it. With the Interwebs, they are... Which is scary.
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Posted: 5 months ago by T1000:
« 2manyusernames:
While we're at it, prison should be an unpleasant place especially for death row inmates. Not calling for bread and water but they don't need to be like a fancy hotel either Have you ever been in a prison?
I don't know why people have this conception that prisons are cush.
I can only speak for Texas I guess, but prisons there are not air-conditioned, there's no TVs (maybe one shared among a hundred or more prisoners who exhibit good behavior), no Internet, no conjugal visits, none of that crap.
It's loud. All the time. Even in the middle of the night.
Prisoners in Seg (Segregation for their or others' safety, or because they were bad) get to exercise in a pen outside for one hour a day.
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Posted: 5 months ago by arrows:
« KerOBeroS32 : Rly? A sociopath and an idiot? Is THAT the best you can muster for an argument?
Oh FFS!
I'm going back to bed... Perhaps I was wrong in dismissing your argument and resorting to insults. If you honestly would like to to discuss this matter, insult-free, I'd be more than willing to apologize for my childish behavior and engage you in a debate.
You proposed lynch mobs as both an acceptable and cost-effective solution to the high cost due process of capital punishment in the American penal system. I'm having a hard time determining where, exactly, these mobs would come into the process. Was your initial post just a knee-jerk reaction to the news that convicted criminals aren't being put to death in a manner quick enough for your liking, or do you really believe that the American taxpayer would benefit by taking matters into their own hands and executing the allegedly guilty paty upon conviction? Should federal and state prisons just release condemned persons to the bloodthirsty populace when they've exhausted their appeals? My question, simply, is this: where do you think these lynch mobs should enter the process?
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Posted: 5 months ago by arrows:
« KerOBeroS32 : Srsly? This is best you can come up with? This is what I opened a new Firefox tab for?
First off, they really SHOULD! stop with the suicide watch... If they are going to die, they are going to die, no matter what the means...
If they kill themselves, they save the state countless of dollars on executing them...
Point #2
A lynching mob will, no doubt foster vigilante mentality which will, no doubt cause damage that will come out the state budget, but that will be minimal compared to the amount of money the state would be have to spend on executing death row inmates.
OR Make the vigilante financially responsible for his/her actions...
Killing murderers and castrating pedophiles/rapists is all well and good, but if you damage property, you pay for it.. 1) You're proposing that we should discontinue with suicide watches on death row because those people on death row are already condemned men who are going to die anyway. You seem oblivious to possibility of those men actually being innocent of their crimes.
2) I'm unclear as to what you mean by a lynch mob. It appears that you're advocating the American populace to rise up and lynch people who have been either convicted or accused of capital crimes. Please clarify for me when you would condone a lynching.
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Posted: 5 months ago by dufflewiepus:
« T1000 : Have you ever been in a prison?
I don't know why people have this conception that prisons are cush.
I can only speak for Texas I guess, but prisons there are not air-conditioned, there's no TVs (maybe one shared among a hundred or more prisoners who exhibit good behavior), no Internet, no conjugal visits, none of that crap.
It's loud. All the time. Even in the middle of the night.
Prisoners in Seg (Segregation for their or others' safety, or because they were bad) get to exercise in a pen outside for one hour a day.
i really like the way Texas uses the death penalty.
almost 500 since 1982
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Posted: 5 months ago by arrows:
« dufflewiepus:i really like the way Texas uses the death penalty.
almost 500 since 1982 Are you implying that an expedient execution is justified, given the defendant's conviction of a capital crime?
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Posted: 5 months ago by dufflewiepus:
« arrows : Are you implying that an expedient execution is justified, given the defendant's conviction of a capital crime? provided they are rightly convicted, i'd say 30 days, and thats it.
i'd really like to see public executions come back, maybe put a little fear back in people
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Posted: 5 months ago by arrows:
« dufflewiepus : provided they are rightly convicted, i'd say 30 days, and thats it.
i'd really like to see public executions come back, maybe put a little fear back in people Please clarify what you mean by "rightly convicted". Do you mean to say that it has been proven by jury trial, without a shadow of a doubt, that said person was guilty of their crime?
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Posted: 5 months ago by KerOBeroS32:
« arrows:Perhaps I was wrong in dismissing your argument and resorting to insults. If you honestly would like to to discuss this matter, insult-free, I'd be more than willing to apologize for my childish behavior and engage you in a debate.
You proposed lynch mobs as both an acceptable and cost-effective solution to the high cost due process of capital punishment in the American penal system. I'm having a hard time determining where, exactly, these mobs would come into the process. Was your initial post just a knee-jerk reaction to the news that convicted criminals aren't being put to death in a manner quick enough for your liking, or do you really believe that the American taxpayer would benefit by taking matters into their own hands and executing the allegedly guilty party upon conviction? Honestly, I think that the majority of the populace who had been wronged by criminals currently on death row, feel in some way justice would have been served better by their own hand.
Having said that, it would be wrong to presume that everyone out for revenge having been wronged by a criminal would be responsible in carrying out said revenge.
Should federal and state prisons just release condemned persons to the bloodthirsty populace when they've exhausted their appeals? My question, simply, is this: where do you think these lynch mobs should enter the process?
Not so much a lynching mob as much as a firing squad. This method would certainly take the financial burden of the state. Gather some trigger happy volunteers and tell them where to aim.
Because in all honesty, a lynching mob is just too disorganized to take on such a task.
1) You're proposing that we should discontinue with suicide watches on death row because those people on death row are already condemned men who are going to die anyway. You seem oblivious to possibility of those men actually being innocent of their crimes.
Perhaps I should have clarified. I am really not talking about the ones that have a possibility of being innocent of their crimes, although it speaks volumes about our system who would accuse an innocent individual for a crime the didn't commit only because they forgot to follow up on evidence that was discovered after the fact.
I am talking about the ones that are honest to goodness guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. These people who have the mentality of: "Not gonna let the state kill me, because I'll do it myself"
These people do not need a suicide watch and neither state not victims should care how they die, just as long as they do.
You have to take into consideration that IN THIS DAY AND AGE, there is a lot of desensitization of violence and violent crimes.
There is no fear anymore, every heinous crime committed in this country is newsworthy, yes, but it is starting to become commonplace and acceptable. That's what I think when I see death-row inmates sitting there for years on end...
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